whites, they're the victim of the same thing, exploitation, nietzsche said exploitation gets it all. you against me, me against you, then they exploit us both, the guy with the money. is the thing here that you're working, coming up and saying the same thing, we have to knock that color barrier out because the color barrier says you're lazy, lethargic, you can't rise to the akaz, you all lie, cheat, and steal. you're shiftless, worthless, no account. this is what colin powell was saying on the news before the election, and he said the same thing. what's the next word after shiftless, worthless and no account. all of these are deeply embedded propaganda things, but there's a time to change. you have to relinquish that. move on. >> don, you speak so much sense sometimes. it'sigate to see you. >> it's great. great to be here with one of the -- >> i wish we had more time. will you come back and do a longer interview? >> we have to. >> an amazing, fascinating life.